Hey!

That sounds like a really cool idea!!!!
I've been involved in some postal letterboxing fundraisers, but never a planted fundraiser.
If I didn't live so far away, I would definitely attend your event.
Good luck!!!!

Howling Coyote



discoverytoys_joystoys wrote:
Hi,
As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing Rally
for this June.

Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you give
me some ideas?

I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea is to
hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end of
Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.

There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist would
have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.

What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
Thanks for the help!




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It's fine for the boxes you would be planting yourself specifically for the
rally. But since a rally is a competition, I'd be worried about the boxes
that aren't yours that folks might hurry to find and might possibly be a
little negligent in how they leave the boxes if they're in a hurry to the
next box. At the end of the rally, would you be planning to make the rounds
of all the boxes on the island that aren't yours to make sure they've been
left in good condition?

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
discoverytoys_joystoys
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:38 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Letterboxing Rally


Hi,
As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing Rally
for this June.

Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you give
me some ideas?

I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea is to
hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end of
Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.

There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist would
have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.

What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
Thanks for the help!

Personally, I feel this is a bad idea.

For one, what is the fun in paying for clues to boxes for one weekend
only? Other than a few local folks, (of which you won't get from this
list) you're not going to really turn people onto letterboxing using
this approach. If you think that advertising for paid clues will bring
in tourist traffic, then it will - but not quality long-lasting boxes
from the likes of those that will remain un-named but known. . .

We might as well start listing our clues on LBNA for $1 a pop! Whaddya
say Choi? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by selling
your clues. If you're trying to generate a fund-raiser for your store,
then perhaps you might try a different approach.

And by "many boxes hidden on the island" how do you mean? Just how
many of them have you found? Do you realize that the point of
letterboxing when it was started was more about the discovery of a
hidden locale or unknown treasure? The hours spent pouring over the
cryptic clues that only a true connoisseur of the magic arts could
achieve? I have yet to see anything worthy of that merit in Maine.
Some have come close, but few have achieved.

Sad that this is the fate of letterboxing as we know it.
Let's strive for something better.

phyto
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "discoverytoys_joystoys"
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing Rally
> for this June.
>
> Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you give
> me some ideas?
>
> I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea is to
> hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
> ($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end of
> Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.
>
> There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist would
> have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.
>
> What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
> Thanks for the help!
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto" wrote:
>
> Personally, I feel this is a bad idea.


Phyto,

I love you.

Brian
TeamGreenDragon

You would.

Maiden



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_____

From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Brian, Ryan & Lori
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 6:18 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Rally



--- In HYPERLINK
"mailto:letterbox-usa%40yahoogroups.com"letterbox-usa@-yahoogroups.-com,
"Phyto" wrote:
>
> Personally, I feel this is a bad idea.

Phyto,

I love you.

Brian
TeamGreenDragon




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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Melanie" wrote:
>
> You would.
>
> Maiden

ypu

Brian
TeamGreenDragon

If I had a box in this area and found out that it was listed in you're
fundraiser I'd be furious to say the least. The most offensive things
to come across this site are the constant crass attempts at exploiting
this hobby for commercial gain. Hear, hear, Phyto. I couldn't agree
more nor say it more diplomatically.

LP

Wow, you totally read this different than I did. I was under the assumption that the fundraiser was for something like breast cancer or to help a local sick child.

Glad to see that you're so supportive of others in the letterboxing community when they need support for a good cause....




Phyto wrote:
Personally, I feel this is a bad idea.

For one, what is the fun in paying for clues to boxes for one weekend
only? Other than a few local folks, (of which you won't get from this
list) you're not going to really turn people onto letterboxing using
this approach. If you think that advertising for paid clues will bring
in tourist traffic, then it will - but not quality long-lasting boxes
from the likes of those that will remain un-named but known. . .

We might as well start listing our clues on LBNA for $1 a pop! Whaddya
say Choi? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by selling
your clues. If you're trying to generate a fund-raiser for your store,
then perhaps you might try a different approach.

And by "many boxes hidden on the island" how do you mean? Just how
many of them have you found? Do you realize that the point of
letterboxing when it was started was more about the discovery of a
hidden locale or unknown treasure? The hours spent pouring over the
cryptic clues that only a true connoisseur of the magic arts could
achieve? I have yet to see anything worthy of that merit in Maine.
Some have come close, but few have achieved.

Sad that this is the fate of letterboxing as we know it.
Let's strive for something better.

phyto
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "discoverytoys_joystoys"
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing Rally
> for this June.
>
> Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you give
> me some ideas?
>
> I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea is to
> hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
> ($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end of
> Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.
>
> There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist would
> have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.
>
> What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
> Thanks for the help!
>





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In defense of the original poster, even tho the idea of a "rally" is
distasteful to me, they didn't say what the fundraising mission was to be.
It certainly doesn't have to be for commercial gain. It really could be for
a "good cause." We weren't told what it was for.

And if they're only using the letterboxes they themselves have planted for
this fundraiser, and the people participating know this is the cause and are
in support of it in signing up for the "rally", then I personally would
relate it to letterboxing more like I would relate postal letterboxing to
letterboxing -- as a little sideline, a little diversion. I'd prefer to see
them place boxes far *away* from the locations of boxes that are not in the
"rally" however.

But if the boxes of other placers in the area are used in the "advertising"
at all or are encouraged to be found by the "rally entrants" -- *that's*
what I find distasteful, not to mention potentially dangerous to those
boxes.

However, yes, I certainly agree, there are folks who use/exploit
letterboxing for commercial gain, and that's repulsive to me. They couldn't
do it, tho, if folks didn't buy into it -- in one way or another. That's
come to be part of The American Way. :-)

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lady Hydrangea
Prisspott nee Hedge
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 9:28 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Rally


If I had a box in this area and found out that it was listed in you're
fundraiser I'd be furious to say the least. The most offensive things
to come across this site are the constant crass attempts at exploiting
this hobby for commercial gain. Hear, hear, Phyto. I couldn't agree
more nor say it more diplomatically.

LP

I read the OP a little differently also. I read it as she would be planting
15 boxes around the island for one weekend only and whoever found all of
that 15 boxes would be eligible for a drawing. She didn't say anything
about other boxes being "listed" in the program or used as part of the game,
only said that if someone really liked letterboxing, there were other boxes
on the island that would give them the opportunity to continue on, and I
presumed she meant by this "continue on after the event."

This isn't to say that I think it's a 100% great idea, but it seems like
what most folks are bothered by is the thought that she would be using other
peoples' boxes as part of the event - maybe I read her post wrong, but I
don't think that's the case.

The lure of a prize bugs me a bit and so does the charging of money (even
for a good cause), and I'd sure like to see how it was being implemented. I
would hope the presence of the other boxes wouldn't be heavily touted as a
hook for the activity, but I think it could possibly be conducted in a
letterbox-responsible manner.

My .02 (or as we've been discussing recently on the Texas list - probably
more like .01 based on the current oversupply of opinion in the marketplace
and the inherent value of a given opinion).
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"


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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Melanie" wrote:
>
> You would.
>
> Maiden
>


One can't hear tone-of-voice and inflection in e-mails but this post
gives one the sense of being an unwarranted, rancorous and ad homynm
attack. Perhaps you could clarify it for me.

Lady Prisspott

To settle the question of commercialism, what is your organization? What
are you raising the money for? Who is your audience (customers, hunters,
whatever you want to call them)? Are you doing more than handing out a clue
book? Is there a meal/gathering involved as well?

I do agree with others that you should not list boxes that you have not
planted for this event. Further, use caution when planting that you are not
too close to the boxes already in place.

It's not like letterboxing is a secret. There's been a lot of press lately,
so anyone that's really interested in the sport/obsession can look us up and
find us. However, when they do this, they are exposed to education as well.
Will you be providing training to people? Explaining the importance of
preserving the environment? BITO (Box in Trash out)? Showing the proper
care to take with the box in rebagging and rehiding it? Defining
noxers/muggles and giving suggestions about how to be steathly without
looking like a criminal? Hmmm maybe on that one you could share with all of
us! One can always use new ideas in that area! *wink*

My point is only that there are a lot of things to consider when hosting an
event with Boxers.... when you bring in people who are brand new - the
considerations jump exponentially.

Tee
Draygonflies


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Wow, those responses shot out fast.

It is correct that she said she would plant 15 boxes for the event but
is it really much different to sell clues to the 15 she planted and
then say, "Oh, by the way there are these other boxes here too." It's
a rather fine and indistinct line don't you think?

I don't buy the all charity is good angle either, nor the accusation
that begrudging a charity the opportunity to raise money constitutes
callous disregard for a suffering child. Charities have agenda's too.
There are legally recognized 501(c) charities on both sides of
something as common yet divisive as the abortion issue and gun rights
to those that support a religious agenda that may differ from my own
beliefs to the whacko types like the flat earth society and a guy
named Don Croft who wants people to donate money to help fight the US
government's efforts to reprogram our minds by using cell phone towers
to send out though control beams...it's real! That doesn't even get
into the ones that sound good but are grossly mismanaged and that have
CEOS earning million dollar salaries (remember the United Way scandal?)

So, NO. I don't accept your slurs accusing me of hating sick children
or disregarding women with breast cancer. I certainly won't lend even
ersatz support to your charity event if I don't know the
organization's mission statement and financial structure. Neither of
which were offered in the original e-mail.

First of all, my response was responding to Phyto, not you, but after I read your email I was even more angry. I think you're a RAGING B!%@# and it is people like YOU that ruin letterboxing for the rest of us that are trying to make it a fun family activity. I hope that is the impression you are trying to give people, and I feel sorry to people who are new to the list and read the angry diatribe you post on a regular basis, because you are going to scare all the new people away.

Have a nice day.


Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge wrote: Wow, those responses shot out fast.

It is correct that she said she would plant 15 boxes for the event but
is it really much different to sell clues to the 15 she planted and
then say, "Oh, by the way there are these other boxes here too." It's
a rather fine and indistinct line don't you think?

I don't buy the all charity is good angle either, nor the accusation
that begrudging a charity the opportunity to raise money constitutes
callous disregard for a suffering child. Charities have agenda's too.
There are legally recognized 501(c) charities on both sides of
something as common yet divisive as the abortion issue and gun rights
to those that support a religious agenda that may differ from my own
beliefs to the whacko types like the flat earth society and a guy
named Don Croft who wants people to donate money to help fight the US
government's efforts to reprogram our minds by using cell phone towers
to send out though control beams...it's real! That doesn't even get
into the ones that sound good but are grossly mismanaged and that have
CEOS earning million dollar salaries (remember the United Way scandal?)

So, NO. I don't accept your slurs accusing me of hating sick children
or disregarding women with breast cancer. I certainly won't lend even
ersatz support to your charity event if I don't know the
organization's mission statement and financial structure. Neither of
which were offered in the original e-mail.




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My goodness! Let me just say that Lady P has never ruined letterboxing for
me or my family! In fact, it is often because of her insight that we have
become better letterboxers.

If words on a screen have the ability to run you off from letterboxing,
perhaps you are spending too much time talking about it and not enough time
doing it!

As the inimitable Mr. Pepe says over on the Newboxers list, "Just get out
there and box!"

BarefootLucy
"Not about footwear, it's about philosophy"




On 5/5/07, Leslie wrote:
>
> First of all, my response was responding to Phyto, not you, but after I
> read your email I was even more angry. I think you're a RAGING B!%@# and it
> is people like YOU that ruin letterboxing for the rest of us that are trying
> to make it a fun family activity. I hope that is the impression you are
> trying to give people, and I feel sorry to people who are new to the list
> and read the angry diatribe you post on a regular basis, because you are
> going to scare all the new people away.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge >
> wrote: Wow, those responses shot out fast.
>
> It is correct that she said she would plant 15 boxes for the event but
> is it really much different to sell clues to the 15 she planted and
> then say, "Oh, by the way there are these other boxes here too." It's
> a rather fine and indistinct line don't you think?
>
> I don't buy the all charity is good angle either, nor the accusation
> that begrudging a charity the opportunity to raise money constitutes
> callous disregard for a suffering child. Charities have agenda's too.
> There are legally recognized 501(c) charities on both sides of
> something as common yet divisive as the abortion issue and gun rights
> to those that support a religious agenda that may differ from my own
> beliefs to the whacko types like the flat earth society and a guy
> named Don Croft who wants people to donate money to help fight the US
> government's efforts to reprogram our minds by using cell phone towers
> to send out though control beams...it's real! That doesn't even get
> into the ones that sound good but are grossly mismanaged and that have
> CEOS earning million dollar salaries (remember the United Way scandal?)
>
> So, NO. I don't accept your slurs accusing me of hating sick children
> or disregarding women with breast cancer. I certainly won't lend even
> ersatz support to your charity event if I don't know the
> organization's mission statement and financial structure. Neither of
> which were offered in the original e-mail.
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> This is the beginning of a new day. You have been given this day to use as
> you will. You can waste it or use it for good. What you do today is
> important because you are exchanging a day of your life for it. When
> tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever, in its place is something
> that you have left behind... let it be something good.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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>it is people like YOU that ruin letterboxing for the rest of us that
>are trying to make it a fun family activity.

Funny thing, but I see it as you people who want letterboxing to be
an "excuse" for you to get outside with your family as being the ones
ruining the game.

Brian
TeamGreenDragon

Leslie
Your comments are way off base. The original writer asked "What do
you think?" and one should fully expect to receive negative as well
as positive input. There should be no need of your sarcastic line
about being supportive and then in other posts calling the Lady P
some @#@**%. As far as I'm aware the Lady P has never been a @#@**%,
she usually is more of a *^$#@@ and her input was asked for.
Don

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Leslie wrote:
>
> Wow, you totally read this different than I did. I was under the
assumption that the fundraiser was for something like breast cancer
or to help a local sick child.
>
> Glad to see that you're so supportive of others in the
letterboxing community when they need support for a good cause....
>
>
>
>
> Phyto wrote:
> Personally, I feel this is a bad idea.
>
> For one, what is the fun in paying for clues to boxes for one
weekend
> only? Other than a few local folks, (of which you won't get from
this
> list) you're not going to really turn people onto letterboxing using
> this approach. If you think that advertising for paid clues will
bring
> in tourist traffic, then it will - but not quality long-lasting
boxes
> from the likes of those that will remain un-named but known. . .
>
> We might as well start listing our clues on LBNA for $1 a pop!
Whaddya
> say Choi? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by selling
> your clues. If you're trying to generate a fund-raiser for your
store,
> then perhaps you might try a different approach.
>
> And by "many boxes hidden on the island" how do you mean? Just how
> many of them have you found? Do you realize that the point of
> letterboxing when it was started was more about the discovery of a
> hidden locale or unknown treasure? The hours spent pouring over the
> cryptic clues that only a true connoisseur of the magic arts could
> achieve? I have yet to see anything worthy of that merit in Maine.
> Some have come close, but few have achieved.
>
> Sad that this is the fate of letterboxing as we know it.
> Let's strive for something better.
>
> phyto
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "discoverytoys_joystoys"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing
Rally
> > for this June.
> >
> > Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you
give
> > me some ideas?
> >
> > I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea
is to
> > hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a
fee
> > ($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end
of
> > Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.
> >
> > There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist
would
> > have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for
searching.
> >
> > What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
> > Thanks for the help!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is the beginning of a new day. You have been given this day to
use as you will. You can waste it or use it for good. What you do
today is important because you are exchanging a day of your life for
it. When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever, in its place
is something that you have left behind... let it be something good.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

B-I-N-G-O-!

Unfortunately this pasttime is always going to be split into
groups........groups of those who liked it best 10 years ago, those who
liked it best 5 years ago, those who like it best right now. What was the
name of that guy out in California that just wanted to get along??? Ronny,
Randy, Ricky, Rodney, something like that?

As to the needing an excuse to get the family outdoors, I've never been able
to understand that.

(Not to blame the poster previous to Brian, however, because they only
stated they wanted letterboxing to be a fun family activity, they didn't
state that was the only way they had of getting their family outdoors. But
there have been plenty of posters who *have* mentioned that that was the
only way they'd succeeded in getting outdoors.)

I've found The Way. The Way Outdoors, that is. And the technique is
straight out of The National Enquirer (or maybe it was The Star), so
everybody's gotta believe it, there's no denyin' it:

"To get outdoors, ya puts one foot in front of the other foot in front of
the other foot in front of the other foot in front of the other foot until
reaching the front door and then -- opening the door of course -- continue
putting one foot in front of the other foot in front of the other foot in
front of the other foot........."

Now if one doesn't live next-door to a forest preserve or other nifty
outdoor spot, a set of four tires and a steering wheel might also have to be
included in there at some point. A picnic basket and a bottle of wine might
also find itself included too -- oops! there might go the "Family" in Family
Fun so take out the wine. Or maybe just a little *more* Family to come
along, eh? So maybe leave in the wine and find a babysitter. Isn't there a
box in the East near a waterfall that's in a very pretty spot for couples?
Oh well. I've just never understood why a letterbox is needed. But then my
job keeps me outdoors pretty much all the time, so whaddoIknow? Me, a tent,
a Dog-Named-Elmer, and a horse with a kick-butt rear end is all I need.
But maybe there really *are* people who only want videogames in their life.

I keep picturing Mole from The Wind in the Willow. But heck, even Mole knew
how to get outdoors, and did so, lovely as it was for him to get back home.

If there's anyone from the Chicago area reading this during daylight hours
today, you shouldn't be! You should be out boxing. I'm stuck home so that
Good-ol'-Boy-Elmer can supervise an electrician and a plumber down in the
basement of The Money Pit. He loves having something to supervise down
there other than mice for once.

~~ Mosey, live from The Money Pit ~~


-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Brian, Ryan & Lori
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:43 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Rally


>it is people like YOU that ruin letterboxing for the rest of us that
>are trying to make it a fun family activity.

Funny thing, but I see it as you people who want letterboxing to be
an "excuse" for you to get outside with your family as being the ones
ruining the game.

Brian
TeamGreenDragon

I, for one, think that the rally is not necessarily a bad idea, and if it's for a charitable cause, even better. But I'd ask that it not be called "Letterboxing" to begin with, and other people's boxes should not even be mentioned, even vaguely. Call it a scavenger hunt, a treasure hunt, whatever, but maybe you shouldn't name other secretive hunting games. You could maybe publish on the clues a statement that other searching games exist but most require playing by each hobby's set of written and unwritten rules. Just allude to more games being out there. People who participate in this proposed type of scavenger event who like it could _decide for themselves if they want to look further into treasure hunting games_. Then the job of gathering info and learning what's generally considered acceptable among treasure seekers falls upon them. Anyone who is already an enthusiast of letterboxing would probably avoid the event, or at least avoid searching for boxes placed by other placers during this event because they might accidentally divulge the locations of other people's boxes. That's not cool.

Mary

Team Safari




----- Original Message -----
From: discoverytoys_joystoys
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Letterboxing Rally


Hi,
As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing Rally
for this June.

Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you give
me some ideas?

I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea is to
hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end of
Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.

There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist would
have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.

What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
Thanks for the help!





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message -----
From: Leslie
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Rally

< CLIP >

..and I feel sorry to people who are new to the list and read the angry diatribe you post on a regular basis, because you are going to scare all the new people away.

Have a nice day.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi, Leslie,

I think you just "discovered" the objective. Sort of.

Take a deep breath and relax. I used to get my panties in a bunch with the touting, ranting, blathering... mostly by people who seem infatuated with themselves. You can't really regulate people, you certainly can't get rid of pests by feeding them, and some people and their posts are just a joke. (Even if they can't see it.) So, when people post with self-importance and assumed authority, try not to over-react. Each of the comments has some good points, I think, even when you have to wade through the spew to find it. Don't attibute to malice to what might be self-righteousness, ego, or fear. I think (and I could be wrong) what raises hackles here (or amongst 'boxers in general) the most is fear: Fear of losing boxes, fear of becoming shut out of park systems or other public lands, fear of commercialism... basically fear of anyone changing letterboxing from either what they believe it was when they joined in or what they believe they have helped it to remain or become.

You might want to channel your anger or indignation into maybe explaining to the original poster, maybe even off list so people don't add their own 2, as to why the silent majority remains silent on these lists (as if that's not apparent!) and why we all feel very protective of letterboxing as each of us perceives it. We do, generally, try to take care of each other's boxes, but don't generally toot our own horns or get obnoxious. Those that do (act weird or inappropriate, bossy, condescending, egomaniacal)... well, they may get a small following but most of us just shake our heads and delete.

Yours in boxing,

Mary
Team Safari



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---Local LBMA boxer, Natty Bumpo does a rallly most years. that's what it is a road rally
with many boxes planted just for the day.As at any gather there is jar for contributions to
defray costs. His rallies are excellent and finely planned with rules for many contingencies.
At last years gather there was also a special stamp available for a small contribution to
help another boxer who had fallen on hard times.
On fair Dartmoor there are clue books sold as fund raisers. I point this out but I am not an
advocate of selling clues.
I think we can support causes with out selling clues.

In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Leslie wrote:
>
> Wow, you totally read this different than I did. I was under the assumption that the
fundraiser was for something like breast cancer or to help a local sick child.
>
> Glad to see that you're so supportive of others in the letterboxing community when
they need support for a good cause....
>
>
>
>
> Phyto wrote:
> Personally, I feel this is a bad idea.
>
> For one, what is the fun in paying for clues to boxes for one weekend
> only? Other than a few local folks, (of which you won't get from this
> list) you're not going to really turn people onto letterboxing using
> this approach. If you think that advertising for paid clues will bring
> in tourist traffic, then it will - but not quality long-lasting boxes
> from the likes of those that will remain un-named but known. . .
>
> We might as well start listing our clues on LBNA for $1 a pop! Whaddya
> say Choi? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by selling
> your clues. If you're trying to generate a fund-raiser for your store,
> then perhaps you might try a different approach.
>
> And by "many boxes hidden on the island" how do you mean? Just how
> many of them have you found? Do you realize that the point of
> letterboxing when it was started was more about the discovery of a
> hidden locale or unknown treasure? The hours spent pouring over the
> cryptic clues that only a true connoisseur of the magic arts could
> achieve? I have yet to see anything worthy of that merit in Maine.
> Some have come close, but few have achieved.
>
> Sad that this is the fate of letterboxing as we know it.
> Let's strive for something better.
>
> phyto
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "discoverytoys_joystoys"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing Rally
> > for this June.
> >
> > Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you give
> > me some ideas?
> >
> > I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea is to
> > hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
> > ($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end of
> > Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.
> >
> > There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist would
> > have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.
> >
> > What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
> > Thanks for the help!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is the beginning of a new day. You have been given this day to use as you will. You
can waste it or use it for good. What you do today is important because you are
exchanging a day of your life for it. When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever,
in its place is something that you have left behind... let it be something good.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

And what if it's for a group like NAMBLA? Does that fit in with your
family friendly activities?

You need to chill and stop being so nasty. Perhaps you need to get
outdoors and off the computer for awhile so you don't turn newbies off
to this fine hobby of letterboxing with your vile explosiveness.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Leslie wrote:
>
> Wow, you totally read this different than I did. I was under the
assumption that the fundraiser was for something like breast cancer or
to help a local sick child.
>
> Glad to see that you're so supportive of others in the letterboxing
community when they need support for a good cause....
>
>
>

I, too, think this is a poor idea. It's as though you have no means
to come up with a creative fundraiser on your own so you steal the
idea from a group of hobbyists who care deeply about it.

If there is a fundraiser involving letterboxing perhaps the
only 'good cause" it should support is letterboxing! The LBNA
website costs $$$ to run each year which comes out of the pockets of
volunteers because it is the belief of those who have been in this
thing from the begining that letterboxing should remain FREE for
anyone who wants to try it out.

So, please find another way to raise funds for your organization or,
as Team Safari suggested, at least eliminate any reference to any
other organization in your offerings.

Oh, and for the poster who said that letterboxing wasn't a secret---
it used to be until a few decided they wanted 15 minutes in the
limelight to be seen as those designated to speak about this hobby as
though it were their idea.

It *is* a secret and a good one. Just like you wouldn't broadcast
your favorite fishing hole where you catch all the big ones in, you
don't broadcast letterboxing--you share it with like minded people.

'Nuff said.


-----Original Message-----
> From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> discoverytoys_joystoys
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:38 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Letterboxing Rally
>
>
> Hi,
> As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing
Rally
> for this June.
>
> Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you
give
> me some ideas?
>
> I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea
is to
> hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
> ($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end of
> Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.
>
> There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist
would
> have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.
>
> What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
> Thanks for the help!
>

I must say, this is an interesting read. The poor lady that started this thread just needs a little guidance. The bashing brings out the "ellitest" stuff that most of us hate without naming names.

Guide her with ideas about what we think about buying clues. Most of us dont like it, and there are other ways to raise money, and not comprimise other boxes....not sure if selling clues is proper...but again thats up to anybody. I still have yet to see where I can buy the official "Guide and Rules of Letterboxing" book....Even if I don't agree with it.

As for using letterboxing as a way to get the family outside..who am I to say what it is that you like about a hobby, or why you do it? I'm sure for some its family, others a stupid PFX count....still others have their own independent reason....Last I checked its America, thus we can actually have this debate.

Remember, it's just stamps, and we are adults...that is actually pretty funny
mizscarlet731 wrote:
---Local LBMA boxer, Natty Bumpo does a rallly most years. that's what it is a road rally
with many boxes planted just for the day.As at any gather there is jar for contributions to
defray costs. His rallies are excellent and finely planned with rules for many contingencies.
At last years gather there was also a special stamp available for a small contribution to
help another boxer who had fallen on hard times.
On fair Dartmoor there are clue books sold as fund raisers. I point this out but I am not an
advocate of selling clues.
I think we can support causes with out selling clues.

In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Leslie wrote:
>
> Wow, you totally read this different than I did. I was under the assumption that the
fundraiser was for something like breast cancer or to help a local sick child.
>
> Glad to see that you're so supportive of others in the letterboxing community when
they need support for a good cause....
>
>
>
>
> Phyto wrote:
> Personally, I feel this is a bad idea.
>
> For one, what is the fun in paying for clues to boxes for one weekend
> only? Other than a few local folks, (of which you won't get from this
> list) you're not going to really turn people onto letterboxing using
> this approach. If you think that advertising for paid clues will bring
> in tourist traffic, then it will - but not quality long-lasting boxes
> from the likes of those that will remain un-named but known. . .
>
> We might as well start listing our clues on LBNA for $1 a pop! Whaddya
> say Choi? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by selling
> your clues. If you're trying to generate a fund-raiser for your store,
> then perhaps you might try a different approach.
>
> And by "many boxes hidden on the island" how do you mean? Just how
> many of them have you found? Do you realize that the point of
> letterboxing when it was started was more about the discovery of a
> hidden locale or unknown treasure? The hours spent pouring over the
> cryptic clues that only a true connoisseur of the magic arts could
> achieve? I have yet to see anything worthy of that merit in Maine.
> Some have come close, but few have achieved.
>
> Sad that this is the fate of letterboxing as we know it.
> Let's strive for something better.
>
> phyto
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "discoverytoys_joystoys"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing Rally
> > for this June.
> >
> > Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you give
> > me some ideas?
> >
> > I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea is to
> > hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
> > ($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end of
> > Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.
> >
> > There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist would
> > have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.
> >
> > What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
> > Thanks for the help!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is the beginning of a new day. You have been given this day to use as you will. You
can waste it or use it for good. What you do today is important because you are
exchanging a day of your life for it. When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever,
in its place is something that you have left behind... let it be something good.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Do we'all know for a fact that this fundraiser is slated to be aimed at
folks who have never letterboxed before? What if the participants are
people who *are* boxers?

~~ Mosey ~~

I just need to know how you came to know about letterboxing? I see
that you joined the list just days ago and this is the only post
you've made. Just a bit curious about your letterboxing background.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "discoverytoys_joystoys"
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing
Rally
> for this June.
>
> Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you
give
> me some ideas?
>
> I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea
is to
> hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
> ($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end
of
> Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.
>
> There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist
would
> have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.
>
> What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
> Thanks for the help!
>

Yup, and it came from Maine...how curious....
----- Original Message -----
From: alwayschaos
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Rally


I just need to know how you came to know about letterboxing? I see
that you joined the list just days ago and this is the only post
you've made. Just a bit curious about your letterboxing background.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "discoverytoys_joystoys"
wrote:
>
> Hi,
> As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing
Rally
> for this June.
>
> Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you
give
> me some ideas?
>
> I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea
is to
> hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
> ($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end
of
> Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.
>
> There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist
would
> have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.
>
> What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
> Thanks for the help!
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Phyto wrote:
> Personally, I feel this is a bad idea.
>
> For one, what is the fun in paying for clues to boxes for one weekend
> only? Other than a few local folks, (of which you won't get from this
> list) you're not going to really turn people onto letterboxing using
> this approach. If you think that advertising for paid clues will bring
> in tourist traffic, then it will - but not quality long-lasting boxes
> from the likes of those that will remain un-named but known. . .
>
> We might as well start listing our clues on LBNA for $1 a pop! Whaddya
> say Choi? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by selling
> your clues. If you're trying to generate a fund-raiser for your store,
> then perhaps you might try a different approach.
>
> And by "many boxes hidden on the island" how do you mean? Just how
> many of them have you found? Do you realize that the point of
> letterboxing when it was started was more about the discovery of a
> hidden locale or unknown treasure? The hours spent pouring over the
> cryptic clues that only a true connoisseur of the magic arts could
> achieve? I have yet to see anything worthy of that merit in Maine.
> Some have come close, but few have achieved.
>
> Sad that this is the fate of letterboxing as we know it.
> Let's strive for something better.
>
> phyto
>


WOW, and here I was totally lost. I didn't know that the ONLY reason to
letterbox was to pour over a clue for hours at a time then hike out to
who knows where in the hope to find a box. What a relief we have a
elite, enlightened person such as yourself to inform us of how things
should be done!

I just would like to know, did you actually READ the post, or as soon as
you saw that money was involved you immediately went into
anti-commercialism, anti-capitalism mode? Maybe you didn't notice that
they said they would plant their OWN boxes and sell clues for them for
ONE weekend for whatever organization they work for.

And you folks wonder why I call you a bunch of arrogant elitists.

--
Nathan Brown

AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com

The Insensitivity rolls on...

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
-Winston Churchill

xxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> However, yes, I certainly agree, there are folks who use/exploit
> letterboxing for commercial gain, and that's repulsive to me. They couldn't
> do it, tho, if folks didn't buy into it -- in one way or another. That's
> come to be part of The American Way. :-)
>


I would just like to know, what is it you find so repulsive about using
letterboxing for commercial gain? Does this mean there is something
wrong with say Atlasquest or Stampaz which market to letterboxers?

--
Nathan Brown

AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com

The Insensitivity rolls on...

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
-Winston Churchill

Welllllllll, since you asked..........

Stampeaz, I have no problem with. It's not a letterboxing site per se. I
hand-carve stamps for my own artwork that will never see the inside of a
letterbox or the pages of any placer's logbook, and I know other artists
that do also. And the other supplies they sell are not just for
letterboxers.

Yeah, atlasquest does squick me.

But that's my own personal opinion and how *I* see letterboxing. YMMV.
Like with the rally idea. That's up to the rally event planner and the
people paying to attend as to how they envision letterboxing. AS LONG AS
the boxes already placed in the area by *other* placers come to absolutely
no harm, I wouldn't consider the rally to be any of my business if the
poster hadn't actually asked for opinions.

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Nathan Brown
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 8:16 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Letterboxing Rally


xxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> However, yes, I certainly agree, there are folks who use/exploit
> letterboxing for commercial gain, and that's repulsive to me. They
couldn't
> do it, tho, if folks didn't buy into it -- in one way or another. That's
> come to be part of The American Way. :-)
>


I would just like to know, what is it you find so repulsive about using
letterboxing for commercial gain? Does this mean there is something
wrong with say Atlasquest or Stampaz which market to letterboxers?

--
Nathan Brown

AKA Cyclonic
Penncoasters.com

The Insensitivity rolls on...

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
-Winston Churchill




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Sangfroid and I have many boxes on MDI and I have been scurrying to try to get them all
"off the map" for the past few years because of the severe abuse my boxes and the areas
around them have taken over the years because of careless boxers. I would hope that Joy
would ask placers before listing them, if she does this.

I actually know the organization Joy works for and it is a very good one and her aim is to
help the community and the kids. I think her misstep here was that she found out about
letterboxing, was so excited and thrilled about it and wanted to get into it without really
delving into it first. When I first got involved I thought how cool it would be to have a
gathering here on MDI but I would never do it now because it is so overrun and such a
sensitive area. Plus there are all sorts of nuances about letterboxing on MDI that require
secrecy and candor and commisserating!

I think the idea of boxing for $$ is a bad one in general. I think the idea of shouting about
boxing to the world is a bad one, BUT we have to realize it is a public hobby and all we can
do is educate (which is why I am doing the kids program in Bangor because I would rather
they learn from me...a big LB snob!, than from some 2 bit article in the paper...)

I think because Joy just heard about LBing, she doesn't understand the big and sensitive
issues in LBing which we all know are VERY important. Personally, I am choosing to take
mine off the radar because I feel like it promotes the spirit of boxing that I enjoy the best.
Honestly, when boxing because a contest and a $$ raiser, I don't want to be involved
anymore.

Anyway, trying sort of hash out my feelings about this as I write. I think that we may really
need to think about the future of LBing...I know I have for a while now. Why do I feel so
passionately that she ask p[ermission to list local boxes when it is a "public" sport and my
boxes are out there for the public? I would hate it if this crazy obsession ended up
splitting into a public free for all contest and an underground secret society. Honestly, I
think it is starting already and I am all for the covert operations!


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge"
wrote:
>
> If I had a box in this area and found out that it was listed in you're
> fundraiser I'd be furious to say the least. The most offensive things
> to come across this site are the constant crass attempts at exploiting
> this hobby for commercial gain. Hear, hear, Phyto. I couldn't agree
> more nor say it more diplomatically.
>
> LP
>

As a relative newbie (3 yrs casually, this year having the time to devote) I, too have been concerned about this. It seems that it will become a good time grab fest. Based on what I have found in recent outings, it seems LBing has become a reckless sport rather than the individual pursuit of satisfaction and reconnection with one's surroundings that enticed me in the first place.

Not sure what to do about it, unless we find a way to go back to covertly meeting and sharing clues locally fanning out to trusted sources (as originally done) rather than internet posting of clues. It may serve to slow down not only the demise of the hobby's original intent, but perhaps the plant with abandon mentality that is becoming so prolific. I don't ever want to find myself in competition with others over how many boxes I've found, planted, exchanged, whatever - that seems to fuel the seemingly inevitable decline by reducing it to a sport of numbers.

Any ideas on how to reverse or slow this beyond giving up, dropping out, and turning it over to those who would redefine it (and probably destroy delicate ecosystems in the process)?

Q

"Lisa (Taplin) Murray" wrote: Sangfroid and I have many boxes on MDI and I have been scurrying to try to get them all
"off the map" for the past few years because of the severe abuse my boxes and the areas
around them have taken over the years because of careless boxers. I would hope that Joy
would ask placers before listing them, if she does this.

I actually know the organization Joy works for and it is a very good one and her aim is to
help the community and the kids. I think her misstep here was that she found out about
letterboxing, was so excited and thrilled about it and wanted to get into it without really
delving into it first. When I first got involved I thought how cool it would be to have a
gathering here on MDI but I would never do it now because it is so overrun and such a
sensitive area. Plus there are all sorts of nuances about letterboxing on MDI that require
secrecy and candor and commisserating!

I think the idea of boxing for $$ is a bad one in general. I think the idea of shouting about
boxing to the world is a bad one, BUT we have to realize it is a public hobby and all we can
do is educate (which is why I am doing the kids program in Bangor because I would rather
they learn from me...a big LB snob!, than from some 2 bit article in the paper...)

I think because Joy just heard about LBing, she doesn't understand the big and sensitive
issues in LBing which we all know are VERY important. Personally, I am choosing to take
mine off the radar because I feel like it promotes the spirit of boxing that I enjoy the best.
Honestly, when boxing because a contest and a $$ raiser, I don't want to be involved
anymore.

Anyway, trying sort of hash out my feelings about this as I write. I think that we may really
need to think about the future of LBing...I know I have for a while now. Why do I feel so
passionately that she ask p[ermission to list local boxes when it is a "public" sport and my
boxes are out there for the public? I would hate it if this crazy obsession ended up
splitting into a public free for all contest and an underground secret society. Honestly, I
think it is starting already and I am all for the covert operations!

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge"
wrote:
>
> If I had a box in this area and found out that it was listed in you're
> fundraiser I'd be furious to say the least. The most offensive things
> to come across this site are the constant crass attempts at exploiting
> this hobby for commercial gain. Hear, hear, Phyto. I couldn't agree
> more nor say it more diplomatically.
>
> LP
>






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The fundraiser would be for raising money to build a badly needed playground. I actually
support the cause outsie of letterboxing, but don't think a LB rally is the way to raise
money for this.

Lisa
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Leslie wrote:
>
> Wow, you totally read this different than I did. I was under the assumption that the
fundraiser was for something like breast cancer or to help a local sick child.
>
> Glad to see that you're so supportive of others in the letterboxing community when
they need support for a good cause....
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> Phyto wrote:
> Personally, I feel this is a bad idea.
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> For one, what is the fun in paying for clues to boxes for one weekend
> only? Other than a few local folks, (of which you won't get from this
> list) you're not going to really turn people onto letterboxing using
> this approach. If you think that advertising for paid clues will bring
> in tourist traffic, then it will - but not quality long-lasting boxes
> from the likes of those that will remain un-named but known. . .
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> We might as well start listing our clues on LBNA for $1 a pop! Whaddya
> say Choi? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by selling
> your clues. If you're trying to generate a fund-raiser for your store,
> then perhaps you might try a different approach.
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> And by "many boxes hidden on the island" how do you mean? Just how
> many of them have you found? Do you realize that the point of
> letterboxing when it was started was more about the discovery of a
> hidden locale or unknown treasure? The hours spent pouring over the
> cryptic clues that only a true connoisseur of the magic arts could
> achieve? I have yet to see anything worthy of that merit in Maine.
> Some have come close, but few have achieved.
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> Sad that this is the fate of letterboxing as we know it.
> Let's strive for something better.
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> phyto
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "discoverytoys_joystoys"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > As a fundraiser for my organization, I am planning a Letterboxing Rally
> > for this June.
> >
> > Has anyone done or gone to an event like this before, and can you give
> > me some ideas?
> >
> > I live in Bar Harbor, ME which is on Mount Desert Island. My idea is to
> > hide 15 boxes around the island for one weekend only. Charge a fee
> > ($10) for the clues. The people who find all 15 boxes by the end of
> > Sunday go into a drawing for a prize.
> >
> > There are many boxes hidden on the Island, so an real enthusist would
> > have many more to find if 15 didn't quench his thirst for searching.
> >
> > What do you folks think of this plan. Any suggestions?
> > Thanks for the help!
> >
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